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Teach Your Dog to Retrieve and Play Frisbee

Dog FrisbeeRetrieve and Frisbee are two great training exercises to work on with your dog. As always, focus on keeping your dog engaged and interested in each session instead of getting stressed out about finishing the final behavior in one session. Have fun with it and ask questions in my Forums if you need more help.

My favorite way of teaching retrieve is to shape the behavior. Shaping is achieved when a behavior is broken down into many steps and each step is rewarded until reliable. Once a behavior is reliable, it is rewarded periodically until the dog tries a new behavior to increase the amount of rewards. At that time, the new behavior is rewarded until reliable. This process is repeated until the entire behavior is reliable.

Breaking Down the Steps of Retrieve 

  • Grab object (either after chasing or finding the object)
  • Hold object
  • Return with object
  • Drop object

Key Strategies to Make Retrieving Easier

  • Train in really short sessions of 1-3 minutes to start
  • Hide the object when not practicing this exercise
  • Only use the object for this exercise
  • Use amazing treats to motivate your dog to advance to the next level

The most important part of retrieve is to motivate the dog to interact with the object. To do this, make the object really interesting. You might reward only 5-10 times and then put the object away to keep it really interesting. “Hey, where is the toy, I want to play with it more!!” Then, next time when you take it out again, your dog will be so excited to play with it they might run over and grab it. Good! That is one element of a retrieve described above.

To get a dog interested in an object I use targeting. Put the object one inch from your dog’s nose. When he sniffs it or touches it, say, “Yes!” and give an outstanding treat. Put it close to his nose again, and repeat the “Yes!” and reward each time he touches it. After it becomes reliable, only reward after 2, 3 or more touches. At that point, with the first few touches say, “Good” but don’t give a treat. Your dog has to then touch more times or go to the next level such as biting it to get a “Yes!” and a reward.

Important Tip 

Keep in mind that frustration is actually part of the strategy for behaviors like this. You want your dog to say, "Hey! Why aren't I getting a treat? I touched it 4 times already! Ok, now I am really getting frustrated, I am going to bite this stupid Frisbee!" Then, get really excited and say, "YES!" and give a treat. Your dog will learn that biting is the new level and expectation in order to get a treat. HOWEVER, there is a fine line between frustration and motivation. Your dog might just say, "Forget this! I have no idea what you want of me. I thought touching was the right answer. I am going to go lie in the corner and lick my paw."

You want to make sure that your dog is engaged and is periodically getting rewards. If you try for too much at once, he can get frustrated.

More Motion and Angles

Try holding the object above your dog’s head so he has to jump for it. This will get him used to catching the object. Try rolling the object or moving it slowly towards your dog or side-to-side in the air to get him used to movement. Say, “Yes!” and reward each time he mouths it. Then, when that is reliable, put the object down and see if he will pick it up. If he does, say, “Yes!” and give a treat. If not, try moving it around a bit to get him more interested in it.

Recap of Above Steps 

  • Make the object really interesting by only having it visible for really short training sessions and then put it away
  • Use targeting to motivate your dog to interact with the object, and say, “yes” and treat each time he interacts with it
  • Increase your expectations for interactions as you do more training. The “yes” and treat will only occur after reaching the new level such as touching, mouthing, holding, carrying, etc.
  • Use enthusiasm while your dog is doing the behavior and stop the encouragement if he stops doing the behavior
  • Hold the toy above your dog’s head, move it around, roll it on the ground to get him used to seeing it from different angles and speeds

You are well on your way to teaching a retrieve. Keep in mind that for each step, you want to reward every time your dog does a behavior until it reliable and then switch to intermittent rewards to motivate him to try something new. Once you understand what steps you should look for, it becomes easy to reward each new more difficult level. Try using your voice as motivation to help your dog continue working.

Next Steps

  • Holding the object. Reward instantaneous holds at the beginning and then switch to rewarding longer holds. This is often the most challenging step for even the most seasoned trainer. Don’t get frustrated!
  • Walking towards you while holding the object. Hold your hand out and say, “Good boy, you are doing great. . .” If he drops it, stop giving feedback and wait until he picks it up again and continue the feedback.
  • Dropping the object in your hand. If you need to, say, “Drop” or “Give” wait a moment and then put a treat under your dog’s nose. When he drops it, say, “Yes!” and give him the treat. With enough practice, you won’t need to use the treat to help him.

Keep in Mind

  • Depending on the individual dog, and how much time you train, training a dependable retrieve can take weeks or months
  • Keep the sessions interesting. If your dog is bored, your sessions are too long.
  • If your dog seems to give up, go back a few steps and start with touching the object or mouthing it and then continue the session. Your expectations might be too high.
  • You can use a leash to gently “reel your dog in” while he is holding the object. Always go slow and use only gentle pressure.
  • Dogs often do well inside and then fall apart outside because of distractions. If this occurs, back up in your training, lower your expectations and continue working. 

Playing Frisbee

Please note: playing Frisbee can be quite dangerous for dogs and can result in hip injuries, torn ACLs, ruined knees, etc. I always recommend that you throw the Frisbee so your dog can "run under it" like a nice football pass vs. having to jump and twist to catch it. Ideally, in my opinion, dogs never leave the ground to catch a Frisbee. Keep that in mind and talk with your veterinarian about getting a full checkup if you are planning on doing a lot of Frisbee.

Start with the strategies for teaching retrieve as outlined above. Then, move the Frisbee around and say, “Yes” or click and treat when your dog mouths the Frisbee. Then, the next steps are as follows:

  • Shake the Frisbee around
  • Hold the Frisbee above your dog’s head
  • Then, gently toss the frisbee up and spin it so the Frisbee so it falls straight down
  • Then, gently toss the Frisbee towards your dog
  • Reward with treats at the beginning, and then replace with your voice
  • Do short sessions and put the Frisbee away after the session
  • Have fun!

Product Recommendation

The only disc product I recommend is the Soft Bite shown in the picture above. It is soft so it is easier for dogs to catch, it floats and is very durable. Try this before you waste your time on something else.  

Comments

 

bloggista said:

I have a golden retriever since he was a pup. I was just as surprised the first time I threw a toy duckie he ran after it and retrieved for me. He was just a few months at that time, 7 years ago. I think retrieving is already part of their behavior. That's why I decided to have him trained properly on retrieving.

Nice post.

April 2, 2008 4:51 AM
 

Curt said:

Great instructions for Frisbee.

I gave my daughter your site, and she just loves it. She's really into her dog and training it.

She has a smaller Border Collie / Jack Russell type dog now. She used to have 150 lb. Rotweiller. Probably easier for frisbee with the Rott!

April 2, 2008 8:18 AM
 

MomLiz said:

Thanks for the info... Zoey is not reliable, nor always interested in playing fetch with a tennis ball.  And here I though ALL dogs were born with that desire!  :-)  I'm going to start feeding her part of her food with "get your ball" playing.  I'm hoping to expand to "get your rope/toy/whatever" at a later date.  First things first though... just get your ball... and bring it back to me... :-)

April 4, 2008 10:40 PM
 

Jeff Millman said:

Bloggista: Some dogs (as you have found) are natural retrievers. Others take a lot of patience and consistency to work up the motivation. I always think it is beneficial to work on retrieve for both mental stimulation and exercise. Glad to hear you found a great outlet with your pooch.

Curt: Thanks for the comment. So glad your daughter is enjoying my site. Small dogs can actually be better frisbee players in some cases because of their agility. Tell her to let me know if she has any questions, and thanks again.

Momliz: You are very welcome. Keep me posted on your progress. Don't get hung up on getting a perfect retrieve. Work short sessions, keep her interested and quit training when she still wants to work. Good luck, and thanks for the comment.

April 5, 2008 1:28 AM
 

Lindsay said:

I never had to train my dog to retrieve, he does it naturally. My problem is he is obsessed with retrieving balls, toys, sticks, even wrappers or crumbled up paper, basically anything round. The only way I've found to overcome this is to just put the toys away or tell him to stay on his dog bed when he's extra annoying. Any suggestions?

April 7, 2008 10:12 PM
 

Jeff Millman said:

This very well could be an OCD or obsessive compulsive disorder. There are a few options including teaching incompatible behaviors (staying on his dog bed as you mentioned is one example) or giving him something else to do such as chewing on approved chewtoys. You might also want to try and work on other training tasks such as tricks, shaping exercises using the clicker, or even work on focusing his retrieve obsession into specific tasks such as object discrimination or scent work.

April 7, 2008 10:29 PM
 

Lindsay said:

Yes, I would say it is an OCD! I like your idea to work on object discrimination or scent work. At least I have a dog who will carry anything for me. Thanks.

April 8, 2008 2:49 PM
 

Gail Nordyke said:

I have recently sustained a back injury and it was mentioned to me that I could train my choc lab to "pick up items" to save from having to bend over...the worst thing that a back injury can face!  The gliche is that she is 13 yrs old.  Now, as a pup she would retrieve consistently, but lost interest in this somewhere along the line and possibly we (me and my husband)are to blame for not continuing the "game."  Unfortunately, we didn't and I am having a really hard time getting her to even consider retrieving now...except when my husband first enters the house form outdoors.  she runs and grabs a toy and he throws it and she runs and grabs it 2-3 times and that's it.  I try to reward her when I see her doing this and she just doesn't make the connection.she just wants more treats!  Is she just too old and should I not continue with this form of shaping?   I don't want to cause her stress, but she seems to enjoy other parts of our work together such as "touch," "sit," "stay," etc...

confused

Gail

May 6, 2008 8:12 AM

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About Jeff Millman

I am a private dog trainer in Chicago, IL. I studied at the famous Academy for Dog Training in San Francisco, with the phenomenal trainer Jean Donaldson. I started Chicago Paws, my private dog training business in 2001 and I started my online dog training site WatchandTrain.com January of 2007. I launched the community portion of the site at the end of 2007. I am a zealot about positive reinforcement-only dog training and want everyone to enjoy their dogs as much as I enjoy mine -- without using pain or fear of any kind in dog training. I live in Chicago with my wonderful wife, Cassy and our two Collies, Ranger and Trooper, and our Shetland Sheepdog, Linus.

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